tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post4527357153649672697..comments2024-03-28T02:23:44.367-05:00Comments on Pacifist Viking: On Don ImusPacifist Vikinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16630996018868040440noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-60843085211503342402007-04-10T12:03:00.000-05:002007-04-10T12:03:00.000-05:00Imus' comments were racist and sexist. He should b...Imus' comments were racist and sexist. He should be fired, not given what amounts to a two-week vacation. Sometimes I forget that "Talk Show Radio Host" and "Complete Jerk" are often synonymous.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-62548919782812737782007-04-10T11:12:00.000-05:002007-04-10T11:12:00.000-05:00I dont know whats so bad it one comment it could b...I dont know whats so bad it one comment it could be a lot worse and they are nanpy hoes when there in shool there legs are open more then they are closedAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-88344669591491344772007-04-10T11:01:00.000-05:002007-04-10T11:01:00.000-05:00After watching parts of the Rutgers press conferen...After watching parts of the Rutgers press conference, I have a better understanding. When reading about this story on the same webpages I read for pro sports commentary, it's easy to forget one salient fact: these comments were directed at 18-21 year old women. Those Rutgers players aren't big-time athletes who should be used to abuse; they're the same age as the students I see regularly in the classroom. When I try to imagine some of my students reacting to a national radio host insulting them with derogatory racist and sexist terms, I'm hard-pressed to think of how they'd react. Most of the players who introduces themselves were freshmen and sophomores with soft, shy voices--not the sort of people who are immune to the intensity of a major national press conference.<BR/><BR/>The disgusting thing to me is not that Imus used the insults he did, but that he directed those insults at 18-21 year old young women who very likely couldn't have any idea what was coming.Pacifist Vikinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16630996018868040440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-84349478570065433112007-04-10T09:41:00.000-05:002007-04-10T09:41:00.000-05:00Oh, I generally agree with both of you. Here's th...Oh, I generally agree with both of you. Here's the larger issue: whenever our country starts a dialogue about race, it's because some public figure says something racist. Then the majority gets to bond in agreeing that the words are bad, and the main thing we debate is why it's bad and what should be done about it. We respond to the words, some people demanding that the speaker be punished, as if removing the words or the person removes the ideas.<BR/><BR/>But the far larger problem in our country is institutional racism, which is metasticized at all levels of our society. That's more covert and less simple, so we don't parade that issue out into our mainstream discourse. At all levels of our society (including government and economy), implicit racism is prevalent.<BR/><BR/>I wonder if our outrage over occasional outbursts of explicit racism cover up the much more damaging implicit racism we see everywhere (Michael Richards' comedy bit was actually explicitly about racist words and how we respond to them, before things...got out of hand).<BR/><BR/>That's the point I didn't raise clearly enough in the post: the unanimous outrage over occasional racist words may mask the silence over the constant internalized racism in this country.Pacifist Vikinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16630996018868040440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-76760955695390615442007-04-09T23:45:00.000-05:002007-04-09T23:45:00.000-05:00I'll take you up on the publicity thing. I think ...I'll take you up on the publicity thing. I think that people generally overestimate the effects attention on these remarks have. I just don't believe that there are that many people on the fence about racism. Think back to Hardaway. Every reaction was either "Wow, what an asshole," or "He's totally right about them queers. Stop being a politically correct pussy." I didn't see anything resembling "You know, Mr. Hardaway makes some good points. I too am now against gay people." I think comments like this only serve to enforce previously held beliefs, not form new ones. Still a problem, I suppose, but not as big and not one that makes me worry about publicizing them.<BR/><BR/>The other thing to consider is that when issues like this are raised you're only going to hear from the people who care most about them. People like me, who see systematic bias in everything (even places where it may very well not exist) get up in arms about comments like this. Someone with a more moderate voice wouldn't care as much so wouldn't try as hard to be heard. Just like PV got fired up about Barbaro and shared a lot of good information about the underbelly of horse racing. I, on the other hand, used him as an excuse to make jokes about Anna Nicole Smith. Animal Rights isn't my thing. On the whole, I think its better when animals aren't treated like shit, but I can only be passionate about so many things without having a stroke. The offshoot is that I am not only less likely to give my opinion on that topic, but I'm also less likely to seek out other opinions on the topic or even pay attention when opinions are presented to me.<BR/><BR/>Sorry this got so verbose, but I found the post very intriguing.Adamhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02398482677532369336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-63446237984506069872007-04-09T23:16:00.000-05:002007-04-09T23:16:00.000-05:00Great post. I don't think ignoring this explicit ...Great post. I don't think ignoring this explicit statements of misogyny or racism is the correct way. Silencing them without dialogue or debate, either through censorship or ignoring, denies the attitudes that may need to be changed.<BR/><BR/>For instance if I as a pastor were to preach some misogynistic sermon and nobody raised issue with it, how much damage could be done by it? What about all these people who might take my authority or "celebrity" (in Imus's case) to mean that their may be some truth claim to my words? Without someone speaking to the wrongness of those words they may die off from "public" arenas, but the lingering effects on the "private" may be more damaging if just ignored without dialogue or debate.Blue Viking Devilhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04816148189650832893noreply@blogger.com