tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post1440468570099853323..comments2024-03-28T21:41:57.264-05:00Comments on Pacifist Viking: Let's Talk QuarterbacksPacifist Vikinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16630996018868040440noreply@blogger.comBlogger12125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-36155886828922896772008-01-21T19:44:00.000-06:002008-01-21T19:44:00.000-06:00How about the fact that Brady began his playoff ca...How about the fact that Brady began his playoff career by going 10-0? or the fact that currently he is 14-2 as a starter and if he wins this year he will be 15-2 (better than Bradshaw). Tom Brady has matched every stretch you state. (well except the offensive prowess of Aikman with his two hall of famer supporters Emmitt and Michael)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-29469611128153466062008-01-21T19:40:00.000-06:002008-01-21T19:40:00.000-06:00That is true PV, we can't really compare the great...That is true PV, we can't really compare the greats like Graham and Unitas, etc.<BR/><BR/>However, in terms of Montana. Dwight Clark was no crap WR, I would say he was much like Troy Brown of 2001. When Montana won his first Super Bowl look at Clark's numbers.<BR/><BR/>Now lets compare the Super Bowl teams of Montana and Brady.<BR/><BR/>Montana<BR/><BR/>Year Ranks (Off PT/YD) (Def Pt/YD)<BR/>1981 (7/13) (2/2)<BR/>1984 (2/2) (1/10)<BR/>1989 (1/1) (3/4)<BR/>1990 (8/2) (2/3)<BR/><BR/>Brady<BR/><BR/>2001 (6/19) (6/24)<BR/>2003 (12/17) (1/7)<BR/>2004 (4/7) (2/9)<BR/>*2007 (1/1) (4/4)<BR/><BR/>That is giving the fact that the Patriots could win this year. The more and more we compare, the more and more Brady and Montana look crazy similar. Looking at one other comparison<BR/><BR/>Ranks (T/G) (+/-Pts) (+/-YDS)<BR/><BR/>Montana<BR/>1981 (1) (3) (3)<BR/>1984 (3) (1) (4)<BR/>1989 (2) (1) (1)<BR/>1990 (9) (3) (1)<BR/><BR/>Brady<BR/>2001 (9) (7) (25)<BR/>2003 (2) (6) (14)<BR/>2004 (8) (1) (4)<BR/>*2007 (1) (1) (1)<BR/><BR/>Once again they are pretty much similar, with the slight edge going to the better differential of the 49ers. The key is Turnovers per game of which it shows Montana had superb defenses, relatively speaking better than Brady's. Does this prove anything? No, but it shows more and more how similar Montana and Brady are and how I don't think anyone could be lambasted for calling Brady the greatest "modern" (i will make that exception) day playoff QB.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-9921499691826574682008-01-21T19:34:00.000-06:002008-01-21T19:34:00.000-06:00http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/Ai...http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/A/AikmTr00_playoffs.htmPacifist Vikinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16630996018868040440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-84794036183136162942008-01-21T19:33:00.000-06:002008-01-21T19:33:00.000-06:00When you look at the stats and the team points per...When you look at the stats and the team points per game and record, you could make an argument for Troy Aikman as the greatest playoff quarterback.Pacifist Vikinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16630996018868040440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-70721520986348126212008-01-21T19:30:00.000-06:002008-01-21T19:30:00.000-06:00How about this: during one stretch of Aikman's pla...How about this: during one stretch of Aikman's playoff career, the Cowboys won 11 of 12 games, averaging 34 points per game and never scoring fewer than 27.Pacifist Vikinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16630996018868040440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-37406143765283693162008-01-21T19:25:00.000-06:002008-01-21T19:25:00.000-06:00Not to mention if we're just basing it on "playoff...Not to mention if we're just basing it on "playoff record as starter," Terry Bradshaw was 14-5 as a starter, 13-2 over one six year stretch. <BR/><BR/>And Bart Starr was 9-1. Troy Aikman was 11-5. Jim freaking Plunkett was 8-2.<BR/><BR/>So if you're just going by record (which isn't entirely justified), there are QBs that compare with Brady. But you have to look closer at other numbers, and that's where Montana licks Brady.Pacifist Vikinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16630996018868040440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-12579753248519617752008-01-21T19:13:00.000-06:002008-01-21T19:13:00.000-06:00John Elway would probably like to say hello here, ...John Elway would probably like to say hello here, too. The numbers and playoff record aren't as good, but he's been to five Super Bowls, and I think he dragged some Bronco teams that weren't that great to three Super Bowls before the Terrell Davis years.<BR/><BR/>And we can't even compare QBs before the merger, because a) there were so few playoff games for them to play and build up a record and b) a lot of good teams--with good QBs--didn't even get the chance to win playoff games a lot of years. We could be bringing up Otto Graham, Johnny Unitas, Bobby Layne, Sid Luckman--but we really can't because they don't have the playoff numbers of the moderns.<BR/><BR/>Roger Staubach might want to say hello, too.Pacifist Vikinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16630996018868040440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-47386308986763835822008-01-21T19:08:00.000-06:002008-01-21T19:08:00.000-06:00Montana won two Super Bowls before the 49ers draft...Montana won two Super Bowls before the 49ers drafted Jerry Rice. And my point is, teams win playoff games. Yes, they win them in large part on the play of their quarterbacks. But you have to look at factors besides the team's playoff record--the Patriots have had great defenses, too.Pacifist Vikinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16630996018868040440noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-11863297326236914532008-01-21T17:04:00.000-06:002008-01-21T17:04:00.000-06:00I won't get into a debate over it, but Montana had...I won't get into a debate over it, but Montana had better receivers over his championships so it would make sense that he would have better YPC, Yards, and TD passes. Now the big thing is the fact that is debatable. Who makes the WR successful the QB or is it the other way around. Either way, Montana for most of those TD passes had a combo of Rice/Taylor, until this year Brady had Troy Brown or Deion Branch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-31445079001292592192008-01-21T16:53:00.000-06:002008-01-21T16:53:00.000-06:00Brent-Good point, I forgot about the others of the...Brent-<BR/><BR/>Good point, I forgot about the others of the 83 draft.<BR/><BR/>PV-<BR/><BR/>Through the same point in his career, Montana had 2 Super Bowl wins and had a playoff record of 7-3. I am ready to claim Brady is the greatest playoff QB of all time, and I have a firm belief that his success will continue and people will be forever talking about Brady as the greatest playoff QB of all time when his career is over.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-44265653868389640032008-01-21T15:43:00.000-06:002008-01-21T15:43:00.000-06:00In 85 the Patriots played the Bears with Tony Easo...In 85 the Patriots played the Bears with Tony Eason starting at quarterback from the same '83 draft class. <BR/><BR/>Eason was 'injured' and later replaced by Steve Grogan.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-14968733683651926912008-01-21T15:36:00.000-06:002008-01-21T15:36:00.000-06:00Among Brady's playoff wins are three wins in 2001 ...Among Brady's playoff wins are three wins in 2001 when his team scored just one offensive touchdown in each game (and one of those was thrown by Drew Bledsoe), and a win in 2006 when he threw the clinching interception but the defensive back fumbled it.<BR/><BR/><BR/>In the playoffs, Montana has much better yards per attempt and yards per completion than Brady, more yards per game, and more touchdown passers per game.<BR/><BR/>Oh, Brady is in his league as a playoff QB, but I'm not convinced Montana isn't the best playoff QB ever--so far.Pacifist Vikinghttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16630996018868040440noreply@blogger.com