tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post2379676586540852587..comments2024-03-28T02:23:44.367-05:00Comments on Pacifist Viking: Michael Vick: lessons in ethics and religionPacifist Vikinghttp://www.blogger.com/profile/16630996018868040440noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-12766977805403867182012-12-28T23:16:50.333-06:002012-12-28T23:16:50.333-06:00I found this pretty interesting and I think that M...I found this pretty interesting and I think that Michael Vick gives some important principles and ideas we should consider regarding ethics and religionPay per head wageringhttp://www.hostpph.com/pay-per-head/wagering.aspxnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-46673185454447087892007-08-28T10:59:00.000-05:002007-08-28T10:59:00.000-05:00Vick was forced into admitting guilt was in all re...Vick was forced into admitting guilt was in all reality a smart move.Friends that he bankrolled for 6 years turned on him in less minutes.<BR/> I think this got over blown and carried way to far. I also wonder if Vicks lawyers are smart enough to notice judge he is facing is a confirmed dog lover.<BR/> If Brett Favre was found to do the samething would the outcry be the same.No, the story would be that Favre out of the goodness of his heart was training the dogs to defend themselves.That he did so because he was afraid that if they got loose they wouldnt be able to survive.<BR/> Vick was tried in the Media and any Judge knows his job relies on public opinion to keep it.I see Vick getting at least 24 months not the norm for first offence which is no jail time.speedlodhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08172064895550453606noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-76541209146164507122007-08-28T08:46:00.000-05:002007-08-28T08:46:00.000-05:00hmmm, maybe "enjoy" isn't exactly the right word. ...hmmm, maybe "enjoy" isn't exactly the right word. But I find them well worth reading. That's what I meant.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-73437912651286968852007-08-28T08:44:00.000-05:002007-08-28T08:44:00.000-05:00I too enjoy your perpectives on the Vick situation...I too enjoy your perpectives on the Vick situation, PV.<BR/><BR/>As I've commented before, it is puzzling that Kevin Kolb kills animals for fun with a 12-inch bowie knife, and most of the people condemning Vick probably think this is hunky-dory.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-27720869246894317502007-08-28T00:34:00.000-05:002007-08-28T00:34:00.000-05:00PV, I'm glad you spoke out on Vick again. I am de...PV, I'm glad you spoke out on Vick again. I am deeply interested in your perspective. For me, it's not the cruelty that I disagree with. It's the hypocrisy that certain people smite him with. Anon cited the eating of dogs. I wonder how many people would forsake their Dora the Explorer toys if they knew the worker assembling their child's Christmas was eating the "fragrant meat" (the Chinese translation) at their first opportunity. <BR/><BR/>Whether it's the zoo or the circus or Sea World or the Kentucky Derby or the programming at the Discovery Channel, most Americans are complicit in the destruction of animals for the purpose of their entertainment every day. I just think it's unfair that Vick is singled out.<BR/><BR/>And I'm glad you feel compelled to occasionally speak out, as an animal activist, a vegan and a Christian. As a Black person, I often feel compelled to be an apologist or to defend people like Vick. I am fine with that, even if for no other reason than just to be a voice of reasonable dissent. There are at least two sides to every story.<BR/><BR/>I'm glad you indulged your compulsion.The HCIChttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17417163486828431486noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-23140411.post-77969840106637296432007-08-27T13:56:00.000-05:002007-08-27T13:56:00.000-05:00I'll violate my oath and wade into the topic again...I'll violate my oath and wade into the topic again as well. I'm not physically revulsed by dogfighting either, but then again, I've eaten dogmeat, while overseas. When people look at me oddly when I tell them this, I usually remark that the only difference between what you won't eat today and what you will eat tomorrow is how many days have passed since eating. Human beings are evolved to handle an omnivore's diet, and to delineate among different types of animals which are worthy of eating seems wholly superficial to me. <BR/><BR/>Killing and eating humans is wrong because human civilization cannot advance when people greatly fear a violent death at the hands of their fellow humans. The same doesn't hold for other animals, and until a vegan demonstrates to me that he hasn't killed animals in some fashion to advance his condition, the moral argument for veganism just doesn't strike me as very sound.<BR/><BR/>What I found exceptional in Vick's misdeeds were the pursuit of the infliction of agony upon animals purely for entertainment value. It's one thing to operate a slaughterhouse inhuamely (and I may be in favor of much more tight regulation of slaughterhouse practices, and certainly favor buying meat which has been packaged as result of methods of slaughter which minimize agony), because the slaughterhouse owner is trying to maximize profit, and thus wrongly ignores subjects animals to eminently avoidable torment. People pursue awful acts for money all the time, after all, including the murder and enslavement of human beings.<BR/><BR/>It's another thing to go out of one's way to pursue the infliction of agony, however, and I think this is a fair description of Vick's behavior; the pursuit of the infliction of agony for it's own sake. Of course, in practice, people who start out inflicting agony as a byproduct of the pursuit of money often end up enjoying inflicting the agony as much as they do making the money, which is an excellent reason for society to tightly regulate violence in all it's forms.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com